#101: Life as a Corporate Spy with Robert Kerbeck

Back before the days of the Internet, there was a role perhaps more valuable than just about any other: that of the corporate spy. Most people could barely stomach it for an hour, let alone a day. Yet through immense curiosity, concentration, and a "gift of gab," Robert Kerbeck became the world's top corporate spy, extracting information worth hundreds of millions of dollars for global companies.

His entire story is fascinating, and he's chronicled it in RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street. We're getting a sneak peek of it on this episode.

We're also talking about why short stories are so valuable for writing, his most unusual audition as an actor, and the greatest working experiences he's had with celebrities.

Highlights of our conversation

• The first time Robert was introduced to being a corporate spy, and the career path and expectations that led him to that moment. (3:20)

• A look back at the very first call Robert did in his new job—plus his, uh…”terrific” Irish accent. (8:21)

• What the process looks like for a corporate spy during these phone calls, the incredible amount of concentration it requires, and why the information Robert received was so important for his clients. (12:25)

• Some of the most unbelievable things Robert learned during phone calls, and the line that he drew during his time as a corporate spy. (20:32)

• Why Robert decided to write about his experience. (24:24)

• A few great writing lessons Robert has learned, and what writing short stories taught him as he was working on RUSE and his first book, Malibu Burning. (28:19)

• The most unusual audition Robert ever had: an exercise video with O.J. Simpson. (35:19)

• The top three celebrities Robert has worked with throughout his career—AND his least favorite celebrity. (43:25)

Where to find Robert Kerbeck

Learn more about Robert Kerbeck and buy a copy of his book.

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